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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> aaron.s.knister@nasa.gov<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 9/20/16, 10:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> gpfsug main discussion list, gpfsug main discussion list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gpfsug-discuss] GPFS Routers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<font style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"></font>The "Routers" are LNET routers. LNET is just the name of lustre's network stack. The LNET routers "route" the Lustre protocol between disparate network types (quadrics, Ethernet, myrinet, carrier pigeon). Packet loss
on carrier pigeon is particularly brutal, though.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> Marc A Kaplan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 9/20/16, 10:02 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gpfsug-discuss] GPFS Routers</span></p>
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<font size="2" face="sans-serif">Thanks for spelling out the situation more clearly. This is beyond my knowledge and expertise.</font><br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">But perhaps some other participants on this forum will chime in!</font><br>
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<font size="2" face="sans-serif">I may be missing something, but asking "What is Lustre LNET?" via google does not yield good answers.</font><br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">It would be helpful to have some graphics (pictures!) of typical, useful configurations. Limiting myself to a few minutes of searching, I couldn't find any.</font><br>
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<font size="2" face="sans-serif">I "get" that Lustre users/admin with lots of nodes and several switching fabrics find it useful, but beyond that...</font><br>
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<font size="2" face="sans-serif">I guess the answer will be "Performance!" -- but the obvious question is: Why not "just" use IP - that is the Internetworking Protocol!</font><br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">So rather than sweat over LNET, why not improve IP to work better over several IBs?</font><br>
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<font size="2" face="sans-serif">From a user/customer point of view where "I needed this yesterday", short of having an "LNET for GPFS", I suggest considering reconfiguring your nodes, switches, storage
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<font size="2" face="sans-serif">to get better performance. If you need to buy some more hardware, so be it.<br>
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<font size="2" face="sans-serif">--marc</font><br>
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<font size="1" color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif">From: </font><font size="1" face="sans-serif">Aaron Knister <aaron.s.knister@nasa.gov></font><br>
<font size="1" color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif">To: </font><font size="1" face="sans-serif"><gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org></font><br>
<font size="1" color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif">Date: </font><font size="1" face="sans-serif">09/20/2016 09:23 AM</font><br>
<font size="1" color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif">Subject: </font><font size="1" face="sans-serif">Re: [gpfsug-discuss] GPFS Routers</font><br>
<font size="1" color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif">Sent by: </font><font size="1" face="sans-serif">gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org</font><br>
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<tt><font size="2">Hi Marc,<br>
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Currently we serve three disparate infiniband fabrics with three <br>
separate sets of NSD servers all connected via FC to backend storage.<br>
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I was exploring the idea of flipping that on its head and having one set <br>
of NSD servers but would like something akin to Lustre LNET routers to <br>
connect each fabric to the back-end NSD servers over IB. I know there's <br>
IB routers out there now but I'm quite drawn to the idea of a GPFS <br>
equivalent of Lustre LNET routers, having used them in the past.<br>
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I suppose I could always smush some extra HCAs in the NSD servers and do <br>
it that way but that got really ugly when I started factoring in <br>
omnipath. Something like an LNET router would also be useful for GNR <br>
users who would like to present to both an IB and an OmniPath fabric <br>
over RDMA.<br>
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-Aaron<br>
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On 9/12/16 10:48 AM, Marc A Kaplan wrote:<br>
> Perhaps if you clearly describe what equipment and connections you have<br>
> in place and what you're trying to accomplish, someone on this board can<br>
> propose a solution.<br>
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> In principle, it's always possible to insert proxies/routers to "fake"<br>
> any two endpoints into "believing" they are communicating directly.<br>
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> From: Aaron Knister <aaron.s.knister@nasa.gov><br>
> To: <gpfsug-discuss@spectrumscale.org><br>
> Date: 09/11/2016 08:01 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [gpfsug-discuss] GPFS Routers<br>
> Sent by: gpfsug-discuss-bounces@spectrumscale.org<br>
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> After some googling around, I wonder if perhaps what I'm thinking of was<br>
> an I/O forwarding layer that I understood was being developed for x86_64<br>
> type machines rather than some type of GPFS protocol router or proxy.<br>
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> -Aaron<br>
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> On 9/11/16 5:02 PM, Knister, Aaron S. (GSFC-606.2)[COMPUTER SCIENCE<br>
> CORP] wrote:<br>
>> Hi Everyone,<br>
>><br>
>> A while back I seem to recall hearing about a mechanism being developed<br>
>> that would function similarly to Lustre's LNET routers and effectively<br>
>> allow a single set of NSD servers to talk to multiple RDMA fabrics<br>
>> without requiring the NSD servers to have infiniband interfaces on each<br>
>> RDMA fabric. Rather, one would have a set of GPFS gateway nodes on each<br>
>> fabric that would in effect proxy the RDMA requests to the NSD server.<br>
>> Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Just curious if it's still on<br>
>> the roadmap.<br>
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>> -Aaron<br>
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